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Option Interviews: Joe McPhee

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OPTION presents: Joe McPhee


This week Option Archive Interviews features Joe McPhee. As an extension of the regular Monday night concert series, Option curators select artists from the past five years of programming for live interviews on the Quarantine Concerts stage.


"Joe McPhee's music has been speaking to me since I was 17, it altered my universe in ways that keep affecting my thinking.  He's a multi-instrumentalist, poet, and an artistic force that never stops asking questions and exploring what is, and isn't, possible.  This life-long journey along the creative edge has literally inspired generations of musicians and audiences.  None of the above is hyperbole.  On September 13th of 2017, Joe and I recorded an album with pedal steel guitarist Susan Alcorn, which was released by Astral Spirits and called Invitation to a Dream.  This was the first time I was introduced to Susan, and the meeting was remarkable on every level.  On this edition of the Option Archive/Live Interview series, the talk with Joe will be about the process of collaboration, using Susan's music as reference point."  - Ken Vandermark, Option curator 

Tune in to the conversation at: ess.org/the-quarantine-concerts

Joe McPhee, born November 3,1939 in Miami, Florida, USA, is a multi-instrumentalist, composer, improviser, conceptualist and theoretician.

He began playing the trumpet at age eight, taught by his father, himself a trumpet player. He continued on that instrument through his formative school years and later in a U.S. Army band stationed in Germany, at which time he was introduced to performing traditional jazz. Clifford Thornton’s Freedom and Unity, released in 1969 on the Third World label, is the first recording on which he appears as a side man. In 1968, inspired by the music of Albert Ayler, he took up the saxophone and began an active involvement in both acoustic and electronic music.

His first recordings as leader appeared on the CJ Records label, founded in 1969 by painter Craig Johnson. These include Underground Railroad by the Joe McPhee Quartet (1969), Nation Time (1970), Trinity (1971) and Pieces of Light (1974). In 1975, Swiss entrepreneur Werner X. Uehlinger release Black Magic Man by McPhee, on what was to become Hat Hut Records

In 1981, he met composer, accordionist, performer, and educator Pauline Oliveros, whose theories of “deep listening” strengthened his interests in extended instrumental and electronic techniques. he also discovered Edward de Bono’s book Lateral Thinking: A Textbook of Creativity, which presents concepts for solving problems by “disrupting an apparent sequence and arriving at the solution from another angle.” de Bono’s theories inspired McPhee to apply this “sideways thinking” to his own work in creative improvisation, resulting in the concept of “Po Music.” McPhee describes “Po Music” as a “process of provocation” (Po is a language indicator to show that provocation is being used) to “move from one fixed set of ideas in an attempt to discover new ones.” He concludes, “It is a Positive, Possible, Poetic Hypothesis.” The results of this application of Po principles to creative improvisation can be heard on several Hat Art recordings, including Topology, Linear B, and Oleo & a Future Retrospective.

In 1997, McPhee discovered two like-minded improvisers in bassist Dominic Duval and drummer Jay Rosen. The trio premiered at the Vision Jazz Festival in 1998 but the concert went unnoticed by the press. McPhee, Duval, and Rosen therefore decided that an apt title for the group would be Trio X. In 2004 he created Survival Unit III with Fred Lonberg-Holm and Michael Zerang to expand his musical horizons and with a career spanning nearly 50 years and over 100 recordings, he continues to tour internationally, forge new connections while reaching for music’s outer limits. Some guidance for the uninitiated Joe McPhee listener, from Time Out New York:

"... His magical take on avant-garde sax remains one of the wonders of the scene. He still has one of the most beautiful tones on the planet, even when he’s reaching for jazz’s outer limits."

Earlier Event: May 4
Option Interviews: claire rousay
Later Event: May 14
Radius: Decade